Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

Why is Prince Phillip not the King? Mosquito ringtone Nichalp/Nichalp 20:06, May 4, 2004

The titles of King and Queen follow different traditions. A Queen may be either a sovereign in her own right (called a Queen Regent) or the wife of a sovereign (called a Queen Consort). However Kings are only sovereigns, so that the husbands of Queens Regent are usually styled Prince.

* Actually kings can be merely the husband of a sovereign eg a Majo Mills king consort. England hasn't had one since Mary I's husband King Philip. It's still the rule in Spain. (Nextel ringtones Alphaboi867/Alphaboi867 03:02, 15 Feb 2005 )


I'm not sure about the Ahnenreihe, it looks a bit untidy really. Sabrina Martins Mintguy/Mintguy 08:37 Dec 14, 2002

:Only just noticed this, and I agree, it dominates the article. Although I don't doubt its accuracy, I don't see that it adds value to the article. If this stays, it could be opening the floodgates for similar genealogical tables elsewhere. Free ringtones User:Deb/Deb

::What do the numbers in the Ahnenreihe actually mean? Surely not generations. They make it look wrong. Abbey Diaz User:Zoe/Zoe
:::Answer to this can be found on the Ahnenreihe page. Mosquito ringtone User:Mintguy/Mintguy

Majo Mills Someone else/Someone else added the Nextel ringtones Ahnenreihe (''q.v.''), admitting that it was an experiment at the time. Since seeing it here, I've been plagued by urges to add them to other people's articles, but so far I've managed to resist. :) It might be better just to limit it to go back three generations, as that would cut its length by about half, and it might look neater with just the years and not the exact dates, as the exact dates should hopefully be in the individual articles. I rather like it, but I can see how it might start to clutter up the encyclopaedia if they start popping up everywhere, so I won't be too upset if the consensus is to get rid of it... Sabrina Martins User:Oliver Pereira/Oliver PEREIRA 01:16 Jan 22, 2003

Oh, and by the way, I've moved the page to "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", so I'd better put my armour on to protect myself from the inevitable attack... :) Cingular Ringtones Oliver Pereira/Oliver PEREIRA 01:16 Jan 22, 2003


This page now appears to be an advert for Denis Judd's book. Can we have a better image please. town tony User:Mintguy/Mintguy


Oh, you old meanies. :( thomas v Oliver Pereira/Oliver P. 09:13 May 12, 2003

I've put the ahnentafel of Prince Philip on the "Ahnentafel" page, since there's no need to waste all that hard work. I think some sort of table to show various royal personages ancestors and descendants for several generations either way might be worthwhile. couple dozen Jlk7e/john 09:48 May 12, 2003

: Ah, thanks for doing that. I think it's good to have a concrete example of an Ahnenreihe in that article, to illustrate the principle. (But did I really write that message above!?) As for making tables for other royal people, I think that would be useful in demonstrating the variety of ancestry that they had, and what other royal houses they were descended from, and so on. There are various proposals for table layouts at research animals WikiProject Genealogy which look quite nice, but as far as I'm aware, none of them have been used in any real articles yet. I might get round to making some at some point... confident protagonists Oliver Pereira/Oliver P. 21:42 May 12, 2003

HRH's Titles

"His official title" makes no sense.

I have replaced it because it is inconsistent in using military ranks - only one military title is used and I would say that is in the wrong place (he is Admiral of the Fleet HRH The Duke of Edinburgh) or Field Marshal or Marshal of the Royal Air Force. If included his title would change depending on his uniform.

And surely he should described as Knight Grand Cross of the OBE. If have not included his place as of the Order, I take his title of honour to be GBE and treated Grand Master as a job.

There is a fairly comprehensive list of his awards etc at http://www.burkes-peerage.net/Sites/Peerage/SitePages/page62-6c.asp candles folk Garryq/garryq 11:11, 14 Apr 2004

Sources of quotes
Please provide sources for the quotes you add. While the Nigerian thing is easy to confirm ([http://www.sptimes.com/News/061001/Columns/Royal_ruffler_Philip_.shtml], for instance), I would like to know the source of the latest one, as I Googled for it with no success. future entrants Jao/Jao 12:38, Aug 10, 2004

Style after death

After his death will he be referred by his birth name/style just as deceased Queen-Consorts are? first account Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/Prince Albert, Queen language dragging Victoria of the United Kingdom/Victoria's consort is listed as Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha ''not'' Prince Albert of the United Kingdom. Wouldn't Phillip then become Phillip of Greece & Denmark?

:He gave up his Greek citizenship before marrying though... I don't think he'd magically get it back. iraq attack Pakaran/Pakaran ever different User talk:Pakaran/(ark a pan) 18:16, 19 Nov 2004

::But all of the foreign queen-consorts lost their citizenship (so did Prince Albert) but they're still referenced under they're pre-maritial titles. (photograph reinforces Alphaboi867/Alphaboi867 03:05, 15 Feb 2005 )

:But does he need Greek citizenship to hold a title? If you take a look down onhe line of succession to the British throne, there is plenty of Prussian and Yugoslavian nobility floating around, and nobody holds citizenship to those countries anymore.

He is a peer in his own right. Albert, it should be noted, was never a Prince of the UK. Not was Prince George, the other example of a male consort (who wasn't king). Prince George was Duke of Cumberland, but was never referred to as such either during his lifetime or after. Philip is known as the Duke of Edinburgh, and he holds that title in his own right, not in right of being the Queen's husband. Similarly, he is a prince of the UK in his own right, not in right of being the Queen's husband. The situation is simply not analogous. overall appearance John Kenney/john as godkin User_talk:John Kenney/k 04:53, 15 Feb 2005

: Actually Queen Victoria created Albert a Prince of the United Kingdom four days before the wedding. He was also naturalized a British subject. He didn't want a peerage because he felt that since he was already a Duke of Saxony being say Duke of York was beneath him. Victoria made hime ''Prince Consort'' in 1857, after 17 years of marriage. (scientific comparison Alphaboi867/Alphaboi867 05:34, 23 Feb 2005 )

Well, then Albert's situation in terms of being a prince is analogous to Philip's, but neither's case is analogous to that of a Queen Consort. Both Albert and Philip held/hold their titles in their own right, not in right of being married to the queen. it lands John Kenney/john are stylish User_talk:John Kenney/k 06:12, 23 Feb 2005